向奥秘大人求教几个问题

saint13611

原帖由 灰胡子 于 2010-11-3 00:07 发表
谢谢诸位大人的关注和相帮忙。其实我很喜欢Untheric和Mulhorandi，所以我问的也的确是这两个国家的神明。之所以问Druaga和Anshar是因为我手上的资料中说这两位也来了托瑞尔并被吉勒今驱逐，但我又找不到中文的资料， ...

某份英文资料的节选……
若其可信的话，那么Anshar和Druaga的确是被吉勒今放逐的。
关于Ramman另一份资料提到他是在第二次巫瑟战争时期进入托瑞尔的，然后关于神职的转移提供了其它说法。“Entered Realmspace late, during the Second Untheric Wars. Killed by Assuran during the Time of Troubles, though his portfolio was stolen by the Mulhorandi deity Anhur.”
而Enki是被Anshar和Nergal谋杀的……（Murdered by Anshar and Nergal, who then shared his divine essence ）
Inanna在被杀后重生为Ishtar（reborn as Ishtar）

另外关于Re和Horus的一点细节
“When Re, the original head of the pantheon, was mortally wounded by the Gruumsh in the Orcgate Wars, he and Horus merged into a single entity, Horus-Re”

Untheric Pantheon (Babylonian/Sumerian/Mesopotamian)
Name (Power) Alignment Favored Weapon Portfolio
Anshar (Lesser) [Absent] Chaotic Evil Dagger Darkness, night
Assuran (Demigod) Lawful Neutral Javelin Revenge, retribution, poetic justice
Druaga (Lesser) [Absent] Lawful Evil Mace Baatezu summoning
Enki (Dead) Murdered by Anshar and Nergal, who then shared his divine essence
Enlil (Greater) [Absent] Neutral Good Heavy pick Atmosphere, law, order, sky
Gilgeam (Intermediate/Demigod) Lawful Evil Heavy mace Battle, prowess, strength, Unther
Girru (Dead)  Perished in the Orcgate Wars
Inanna (Dead) Perished in the Orcgate Wars, was reborn as Ishtar  
Ishtar (Greater) [Absent] Neutral Short sword Love, war
Ki (Dead) Perished in the Orcgate Wars
Nin-Hursag (Lesser) [Absent] Neutral ? Earth
Marduk (Banished) Battled Tiamat and slew her, but at the cost of banishment from Realmspace
Mystra (Greater) Neutral Good Shuriken Magic, spells, the Weave
(Lawful Neutral)
Nanna-Sin (Dead) Perished in the Orcgate Wars
Nergal (Dead) Perished in the Orcgate Wars
Ramman (Dead)  Killed by his archnemesis, Assuran/Hoar, but gave his portfolio to Anhur upon his death
Tiamat (Lesser) Lawful Evil Heavy pick Evil dragons, evil reptiles, greed, Chessenta
Utu (Dead)
*The absent Untheric deities Enlil and Ishtar left Realmspace, while Anshar and Druaga were driven out of the Realms by Gilgeam

灰胡子

圣徒大人啊，其实那分东西我也有啊…………
Dead Deities
Name (Power) Alignment Favored Weapon Portfolio
Amaunator (Greater/Lesser) Lawful Neutral Light mace Bureaucracy, contracts, law, order, the sun, rulership
Bhaal (Intermediate) Lawful Evil Dagger Assassination, murder, violence
Enki (Greater) Lawful Neutral Mace Rivers, oceans, wisdom
Eshowdow (Demigod) Chaotic Evil Spear Shadows, destruction, revenge, cowardice, ignominy, fear
Gilgeam (Greater/Demigod) Lawful Evil Heavy mace Battle, prowess, strength, Unther
Girru (Lesser) Lawful Good Morningstar Fire
Gods of the Yuir (Demigods) --- --- --- ---
Grond Peaksmasher (Demigod) Neutral Good  Firbolgs
Ibrandul (Lesser) Chaotic Neutral Greatclub Caverns, dungeons, the Underdark, skulks
Inanna (Greater) Lawful Evil Short sword Love, war
Iyachtu Xvim (Lesser) Lawful Evil Scimitar Tyranny, hatred
Kalzareinad (Demigod) Neutral Evil  Evil dragon magic
Karsus (Demigod) Neutral Dagger Folly of overwheening arrogance and ambition, unending hubris
Ki (Intermediate) Neutral Quarterstaff Nature
Kiputytto (Demigod) Chaotic Evil  Disease
Kukul (Greater) Neutral  Creation, sky, stars,
Leira (Lesser) Chaotic Neutral Dagger Deception, illusion
Maanzacorian (Intermediate) Lawful Evil Unarmed strike (tentacle) Knowledge, philosophy, illithids
Marduk (Lesser) Lawful Good Net Defense against evil, cities, wind, rain, justice, storm, thunder
Moander (Lesser/Demigod) Chaotic Evil Heavy mace Decay, corruption, rot
Murdane (Lesser) Lawful Neutral  Reason, pragmatism
Myrkul Neutral Evil Scythe Corruption, the dead, death, old age
Nanna-Sin (Lesser) Chaotic Good Battleaxe Fertility, moon, time
Nergal (Lesser) Chaotic Evil Longsword Death, destruction, plagues
Othea (Demigod) Neutral --- Mountains, mother of the giants
Panzuriel (Intermediate) Neutral Evil Whip (land-dwelling)/Net (underwater) Confusion, murder, subversion, evil aquatic creatures, krakens, koprus
Ra/Re (Greater) Lawful Good  Merged with Horus's
Ramman (Lesser) Lawful Neutral Khopesh Duty, order, vigilance, war
Seven Lost Gods (Demigods) ---   
Syranita (Intermediate) Neutral Good Javelin Aaracockras, protection, watchfulness
Tchazzar (Demigod) Chaotic Evil Longsword Battle, Chessenta, strength, victory
The Dragonking (Greater) Chaotic Evil?   
The Hag Countess Lawful Evil Greatsword Hags
Tyche (Greater) Neutral  Fickled fortune and fate
Utu (Greater) Chaotic Good Scimitar Sun, travelers
Valigan Thirdborn (Lesser) Chaotic Neutral  Anarchy
我想要的是我没见过的资料呢……

灰胡子

那份资料并未说明Ra/Re 的神职，而且那份资料中Gilgeam、Tyche居然也是强大神力，还有Grond Peaksmasher 、The Dragonking 我没听说过，所以我想弄明白。
另外，獸人神祇是否不止那六位？我记得山达柯尔在动荡之年曾经杀死一个兽人小神。龙城志329的美索不达米亚诸神和其他资料中的巴比伦、苏美尔或者说恩瑟的诸神有什么关系？他们是各自独立的存在还是同一神？

saint13611

原帖由 灰胡子 于 2010-11-3 08:51 发表
那份资料并未说明Ra/Re 的神职，而且那份资料中Gilgeam、Tyche居然也是强大神力，还有Grond Peaksmasher 、The Dragonking 我没听说过，所以我想弄明白。
另外，獸人神祇是否不止那六位？我记得山达柯尔在动荡之年曾 ...

Grond Peaksmasher的全名似乎是Grond Peaksmasher Annam，巨人神系的那位……
Dragonking……龙王，天朝官僚中的……
兽人神祇在下也只找到那六位

p.s：在下看到的版本中吉勒今同学是中等神力/半神（动荡之年后）……所以或许不是同一份资料的说……

Arcanum

原帖由 saint13611 于 2010-11-3 00:39 发表


某份英文资料的节选……
若其可信的话，那么Anshar和Druaga的确是被吉勒今放逐的。
关于Ramman另一份资料提到他是在第二次巫瑟战争时期进入托瑞尔的，然后关于神职的转移提供了其它说法。“Entered Realmspace ...

單純參照網友文章是有疑慮的，若要肯定，必須設法追溯設定集或設計師回應...等正式出處。

Arcanum

原帖由 灰胡子 于 2010-11-3 00:09 发表
奥秘大人，请问是Dragon magazine的那一期？舊版Deities and Demigods是封面是克苏鲁和希腊神对射的那一本吗？还是其他的版本？

找找看16期。

1980~1981那本或1984的Legends and Lore。

Arcanum

原帖由 灰胡子 于 2010-11-3 00:34 发表
兽人门战役网上不是说格乌什和他的手下砍翻了几乎整个恩瑟神系咩？那说法有误？还是獸人神祇不止那六位？Ra在托瑞尔掌管的神职跟圣洁之地里的是相同还是有所增加？另外，龙城志329的美索不达米亚诸神和其他资料中的巴 ...

不記得有單獨列出FR的Ra的神職。

一般來說，非特定世界背景的Dragon文章就是給DM或玩家當作選用材料，所以要依據哪個版本請與DM商量。

Arcanum

原帖由 灰胡子 于 2010-11-3 08:51 发表
另外，獸人神祇是否不止那六位？我记得山达柯尔在动荡之年曾 ...

"...is believed to have battled and destroyed at least one demipower of the orc, gnoll, or giant pantheons."

至於後來FRCS限制到orc，不妨寫信問設計師。

Arcanum

原帖由 灰胡子 于 2010-11-3 08:51 发表
那份资料并未说明Ra/Re 的神职，而且那份资料中Gilgeam、Tyche居然也是强大神力，还有Grond Peaksmasher 、The Dragonking 我没听说过，所以我想弄明白。

原帖由 saint13611 于 2010-11-3 18:55 发表
Grond Peaksmasher的全名似乎是Grond Peaksmasher Annam，巨人神系的那位……
Dragonking……龙王，天朝官僚中的……

就我所知，根據以往設定Grond Peaksmasher不是Annam，而是獨立神祇。

Dragonking指的應該是Marco Volo系列中的異界存在。

lsls

Grond Peaksmasher 貌似是一位曾经在月影岛有影响的半神，神职是Firbolgs