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发表于 2007-9-16 19:28:42 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 lsls2213 于 2007-9-16 19:06 发表

姐姐啊,你参和进去这一淌混水干嘛捏[y:4]

[s:7] 这才是无私大爱的体现啊,lsls还是修炼不够,达不到那么高的精神境界。
发表于 2007-9-16 19:32:03 | 显示全部楼层
说实在,偶是不希望看到邪恶的一方(莎尔、希瑞克)得势滴,但是,在这个道德相对主义的世界里,一定有很多人会欢迎。
发表于 2007-9-16 22:02:49 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 青萝 于 2007-9-15 22:55 发表
话说只要想一想Tyr和Helm两位romantic这个词扯上关系,我就感觉不寒而栗。不过Tymora怎么也应该和洛山达扯上关系才对,为啥是海姆呢?



Actually , what I imagine is Cyric pretend to be Tymora..... then, you can see the'evil' hint in it[s:7] [s:7] [s:7] .

well, look at this, also from a website. it is said this is from the grand history...(but still spoiller? I not sure. Because it really looks like a FR version of Tristan And Isolde...[s:3] )

all the following is quoted, no comments from me..

What happened with Helm was this... (My own comments in parenthese)

Siamorphe quarreled with Try as they took different sides in a clash between Tethyr and Calimsan. She removed herself from the House of the Triad and joined Sune's court in Brightwater.

Try sent Helm to plead his case with Sune and she suggested a marriage between Tyr and Tymora to set the celestial planes in balance again. (Pleads what case? Was Siamorphe's presence that vital in the House of the Triad that they needed her back?)

Helm conveys Sune's suggestion to Try and begins to chaperone a chaste courtship between the two.

Strange and fateful misunderstandings lead to the accusation that Helm has stolen Tymora's heart while conveying the gifts and sentiments of Try. A strict interpretation of his own ideals forces Tyr to challenge Helm, and Helm is obliged by his own beliefs to meet the challenge.

They do battle and Tyr kills Helm before coming to his senses. Heartbroken (Why would she be heartbroken? Did she love Helm? Were they good friends?), Tymora accompanies Tyr back to the House of the Triad. Though it can't be proved, the gods sense Cyric's hand in Helm's death. (I would assume that he was orchestrating the misunderstandings that led to the challenge)

As a side note, Ilmater removes his domain to from the House of the Triad to Brightwater, at Sune's invitation. (Sune seems to be consolidating ALOT of power and allies lately here...)

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发表于 2007-9-16 22:12:41 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 lsls2213 于 2007-9-16 19:06 发表

姐姐啊,你参和进去这一淌混水干嘛捏[y:4]


Because she suggested 'marrige' of Tyr and Tymora.....

[s:3] [s:3] [s:3]

Mayeb it is just rumor, gossip......................[s:16]
发表于 2007-9-16 22:27:44 | 显示全部楼层

回复 #63 Hadrhune 的帖子

[s:3] 如果这个假设成立的话...男扮女装的希瑞克[y:14] .....难道卫生纸也已经进入伪娘时代了吗?
发表于 2007-9-16 23:13:18 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 青萝 于 2007-9-16 22:27 发表
[s:3] 如果这个假设成立的话...男扮女装的希瑞克[y:14] .....难道卫生纸也已经进入伪娘时代了吗?

Just yy...
ohohoho[s:7] [s:7] [s:7]
Anyway he in charge of illusion, he can pretend to be any god or godess[s:3]  without false......

BTW.卫生纸也已经进入伪娘时代

what does it mean?
发表于 2007-9-16 23:18:02 | 显示全部楼层

回复 #66 Hadrhune 的帖子

因为lsls刚才翻译的无底深渊的霜巨人领主科斯彻奇就被乌黯王子假扮成美坎修特耍了一回;如果再来个相似的剧情,让希瑞克假扮成泰摩拉的样子愚弄众神,岂非属于炒冷饭了?
发表于 2007-9-17 08:12:28 | 显示全部楼层
烛堡上Ed对FR 4E改变的回应
But I hope Ed can tell us this much: was this change "his idea"? Or is he along right now mainly to do damage control and try to salvage SOMETHING?

有人问

Not, it was not my idea.

However, before every scribe or Realms fan everywhere grabs that comment and shouts, “See! They’re ruining the Realms and Ed Greenwood hates what they’re doing!” I would ask everyone to remember that I walked this particular plank back in 1986, when I sold rights to the Realms to TSR, ceding artistic control of the setting.

From that day to this, except when I “get in first” to paint the picture of a person, place, or country in the Realms, I have been watching other people do things I might not have ever thought of, or agreed with, to the Realms, and exploring the consequences.

It’s what we all (“we” being everyone who works on the Realms, from artists who do line drawings for product interiors to Bob and Elaine as novelists to Eric and George as “lore lords”) DO: poke the Realms in various ways and see what happens. That’s what makes the world seem alive, the constant change.

Most humans hate most change. All of us can recall things (the house or neighbourhood or town where we grew up, perhaps) that have changed so much they’re “gone” for us; our remembered thing has been changed too much for us to accept it as the original. This could, yes, happen with the Realms, just as with every other thing. As I said before, we can’t tell yet (yes, that includes me, because I haven’t seen enough of the so-called “new Realms” yet). Yet riding this magnificent horse that gallops in different and often-surprising directions is what I do, and have done for four decades now, two of them in print with TSR and now Wizards.

I’m sticking with the horse for now, because I know it and love it and we’ve ridden far together. Bailing right now, at full gallop, would be painful, and I’d be left behind and never get to see what neat new places it will reach.

With that said, let me say how moved I am by the anger and upset various scribes have shown here in their postings. You care about the Realms so much. Thank you for that.

I understand your hurt. I have felt it too, over and over, down the last twenty years, and believe me I feel it now, as characters get whacked and I face the prospect, that I’ve been fending off with potions of longevity for as long as I could, of others dying of old age before I ever get to really tell their stories.

I see the risk Wizards is taking, and sure hope it pays off. Whatever happens, I intend to go on sharing the Realms with gamers and readers for as long as I last. I am hard at work on future Realms goodies now, and am acutely aware of the Border Kingdoms and the unpublished city of Teziir and other things too long neglected.

If you need to vent, if you want to talk, I’m here (well, not HERE, but reachable via the Lovely Lady Hooded). I’ve been talking with many of you already about what to do in your own campaigns, and would like to remind everyone that playing up to the Year of Blue Fire can take you ten REAL years (or even longer); my home Realms campaign is proof positive of that. So you can have the luxury of not changing anything right now, and watching the 4e Realms unfold in print, before making any decision. Lore replies here and elsewhere can still provide guidance in the “Lost Years.”

Please remember that although Wizards of the Coast is a business, it is a company staffed by GAMERS. And fiction writers. They care deeply about the products they publish, and would work elsewhere (because there are many, many fields where creative people can get better paid than in gaming) if they didn’t. So, please, ease off on the Evil Empire talk and wait and see what they DO first.

I’ll still be here (I hope; certain editors have promised to murder me messily if I blow certain deadlines :} ) . I still care about the Realms; no matter what happens to it, I brought it into the world and want to be there and see what it does. I hope all of you will, too.

To borrow the words of The Hooded One:
Love to all,
Ed
发表于 2007-9-17 10:06:29 | 显示全部楼层
唔,很可能出现法术链。
发表于 2007-9-17 14:06:02 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 青萝 于 2007-9-16 23:18 发表
因为lsls刚才翻译的无底深渊的霜巨人领主科斯彻奇就被乌黯王子假扮成美坎修特耍了一回;如果再来个相似的剧情,让希瑞克假扮成泰摩拉的样子愚弄众神,岂非属于炒冷饭了?


Graz'zt可以假扮是因为人家有本钱长得帅;Cyric虽然神力强大,但那幅营养不良的尊容扮Tymora还是免了吧[s:3]
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